AdvaCommand HP-UX 10.20 Installation problem

Hello,

I've a problem when restoring a backup from a DDS tape drive on HP B2600 workstation.

I first installed AdvaCommand software based on HP-UX 10.20 DVD. Then i made a restore from a DDS tape drive but the system shows the startup and never run.

I used this manual to make the installation :

https://forum-controlsystems.abb.com/...

It works fine for 36GB and 73GB (with the same DVD and DDS tape drive) but with 300GB i had the problem.

I got a warning message when installing the DVD (something i don't have when install DVD for 36GB and 73GB). I belive the problem is from the 300GB HDD, maybe the configuration should be modified.

I attached images of the configuration i made and the warning message.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/RB5h3GB

Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance.

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by ssdivo Rank: 2301 on 2/9/2021 8:50:23 AM | Like (0) | Report

Hi all,
I found a 36GB HDD and it works on it, with 300GB i still have the same problem.
I'm pretty sure that we have to change partitions values like mentioned on the document for 36 and 73GB, some special values to introduce for 300GB, maybe ?!
Do you know if we can find the AdvaCommand for UNIX Version 1.8/6 software somewhere ?
Thanks.

by andrew.mitchell1 Rank: 2047 on 2/17/2021 4:46:40 AM | Like (0) | Report

I have a procedure for setting up larger disks to be used on HP Unix 10.2 systems, see below, some detail has been dropped by the copy/paste routine.
Drop me a line at andrew.mitchell1@gb.abb.com and I will send you the Doc version.

As the 2GB SCSI disks are now obsolete, we are forced to use larger disks. To enable a tape image to be loaded to the larger disks, the following procedure should be followed:

Firstly, obtain the disk volume size of the original disk. This is achieved by attempting to run an image backup from the tape to the SCSI as described in section 6. However, the backup will be aborted as follows:

Tape Name: Image Backup Tape
Version #@ 14.2/3 GENL 01/10/
Sequence #: 1
Backup date: 09 AUG 96 11:57:10
Disk Volume In Sectors 2128535
Disk Starting Sector #: 0

*** ERROR *** Volume of disk does not match tape
Error: size of destination does no match original

Next, the size of the destination disk need to be obtained using the DU command as described below:

What’s up Doc?> DU WC00:
Total sectors = 2078657
Free sectors = 1879274
Largest block = 1879270

These two numbers now need to be converted into Hex format using the EQ command:

What’s up Doc?> EQ &2128535
$00207A97
&2128535
@00,010,075,227
%0000,0000,0010,0000,0111,1010,1001,0111

What’s up Doc?> EQ &2078657
$001FB7C1
&2078657
@00,007,733,701
%0000,0000,0001,1111,1011,0111,1100,0001

Next, the disk detail file needs to be updated with these values:

What’s up Doc?> VI WC00:[0.]DISK.XX

LIST ?>
Record number =$0 Name = DISK.XX Byte count = $100
|---------|---------------------------------------------------|----------------|
| RELATIVE| Hexadecimal Memory Dump | ASCII |
| |------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
| ADDRESS | 0 1 2 3 | 4 5 6 7 | 8 9 A B | C D E F |0123456789ABCDEF|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
|000000+R0| 4D 33 30 30| 00 00 00 00| 00 01 03 F7| 00 00 03 F8|M300.......w...x|
|000010+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000020+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 0A 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20|....... |
|000030+R0| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 30 33| 30 30 58 2E| 0300X.|
|000040+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000050+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000060+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000070+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000080+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000090+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000A0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000B0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000C0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000D0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000E0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 44 53 4B 50|............DSKP|
|0000F0+R0| 00 00 01 F0| 00 1F B7 C1| 45 58 4F 52| 4D 41 43 53|...p..7AEXORMACS|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|

The number in the file needs to be modified so that it is the same as the HEX number for the sectors on the tape:

LIST ?> M
Record Number = $0
Record Length = $100

000000+R0 4D ?
000001+R0 33 ?
000002+R0 30 ?
etc
0000F0+R0 00 ?
0000F1+R0 00 ?
0000F2+R0 01 ?
0000F3+R0 F0 ?
0000F4+R0 00 ?
0000F5+R0 1F ? 7D
0000F6+R0 B7 ? E0
0000F7+R0 C1 ? 7F.

DISK.XX Replace Record $0 Length = $100

( Y = Replace, N = Don't, L = List Record, M = Modify ) ? > L

|---------|---------------------------------------------------|----------------|
| RELATIVE| Hexadecimal Memory Dump | ASCII |
| |------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
| ADDRESS | 0 1 2 3 | 4 5 6 7 | 8 9 A B | C D E F |0123456789ABCDEF|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
|000000+R0| 4D 33 30 30| 00 00 00 00| 00 01 03 F7| 00 00 03 F8|M300.......w...x|
|000010+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000020+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 0A 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20|....... |
|000030+R0| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 30 33| 30 30 58 2E| 0300X.|
|000040+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000050+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000060+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000070+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000080+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000090+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000A0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000B0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000C0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000D0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000E0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 44 53 4B 50|............DSKP|
|0000F0+R0| 00 00 01 F0| 00 20 7A 97| 45 58 4F 52| 4D 41 43 53|...p..z.EXORMACS|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|

DISK.XX Replace Record $0 Length = $100

( Y = Replace, N = Don't, L = List Record, M = Modify ) ? > y

MODIFY ?> .

What’s up Doc?> EX

The CDP will now need to be rebooted and the image backup will now run correctly.

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ssdivo Rank: 2301

Asked 4 months ago

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When I began at ABB over 26 years ago, 1GB disks were rare. I remember the "luxury" to get 2 x 1GB disks in an IMS500 station allowing me to use the "Large Eventlog" option.

Problems arised when larger disks required larger Physical Extent Size, going from 4MB to 8MB allowed for larger disks. I see that your setup is set with 32MB allowing full use of the very large disk.

There were no errors I could see, all look normal, with exception for the very large disk.

Likely, some script fail to calculate a proper result and yield an error preventing installation... but where?

I suppose you can login to the console (possibly using single user mode to bypass a not known password, press a key to abort the automatic boot sequence > b > Interact with IPL? y > "hpux -is" > "mount -a" > ...)?

Once at the HP-UX CLI prompt:

1. Enable the /products/log/dcSystem.log by editing the /products/data/standard/OS/etc/dcStartup.env (I might be slightly wrong on the path, the log file will tell you the correct file to adjust)

2. Reboot and tell us what you get into /products/log/dcSystem.log and the .old sibling (and any other log file therein, updated with recent time stamp, e.g. dcSystemInit.log). Compare with a healthy machine if you can.

3. If there was an installation failure of some kind, it should have logged error messages to /var/adm/sw/swinstall.log (again, the path might be wrong but the file name is swinstall.log). And, if possible compare with a healthy machine's log. These files are often huge but brush off your skills in "vi" and "grep" and search for words like "error, fail, abort", etc.

Let me know what you find...

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Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

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Thanks Stefan.

I tried to install the DVD again but this times i get some errors (it doesn't happen before).

I attach a picture of it. Could it be from the HDD or the DVD ?

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by Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

Rank: 1 on 2/5/2021 2:44:17 AM | Like (0) | Report

For sure, that looks like a media failure of some kind.
Try finding another CD or DVD unit, or try install from DAT.

However, I get doubts since you say same CD / tape (=and DAT player) works on a smaller disk...

If the by today vey old installation scripts would "reject" a too large disk, we would expect consistent failures, right?

If the media is corrupt, it would not work on smaller disk...

Is the new large disk bad?

There is an option dug deep down (close to where you set the Physical Extent Size before formatting) called Media Init. Try enabling it, it will force a slow low level format of the entire disk. If this format fails, the disk is bad...

by ssdivo Rank: 2301 on 2/5/2021 5:09:15 AM | Like (0) | Report

Thanks again.

The error i posted is recent i didn't have it before, maybe trying to make the installation few times has created some bugs on HDD.
This HDD is new (i guess), the only difference is that it's 300GB instead of 36 or 73 i use often.

Something about the configuration and not mentionned in the ABB document i posted above is the size of Fixed MB for partitions Stand, disk2 and home. I have it writing on a paper, there is some specific value to put for 9, 18, 36 and 73 GB but there is nothing for 300GB.

I didn't see the option Media init you mentionned.

by Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

Rank: 1 on 2/5/2021 5:48:35 AM | Like (0) | Report

The AS500 OS product is no longer active and there will be no updates how to use larger disks, unfortunately.

The partitions must just be made "big enough" (which requires a 2GB disk) and match the Extent Size selection by math so go figure what to put there... ;-)

A too low Extent Size will render parts of the disk unusable, which is not a problem when you have a disk a hundred times bigger than what you really need.

If money is not a question, ABB Logistic Center should have spare disks available.

The "Media Init" is a true/false option that will preceed the CLI format command "mkfs" with a "mediainit" whom you never get to see any of from the HP Ignite's GUI; the option IS there somewhere among all the settings before you accept "Destroy content" and the initialization takes place.

I don't know your situation, but maybe you can boot on the DAT table/CDROM enter the support environment, load "mkfs", "newfs" and "mediainit" and run it on the disk from CLI and watch the outcome of?

https://docstore.mik.ua/manuals/hp-ux/en/B2355-60130/mediainit.1.html

by ssdivo Rank: 2301 on 2/5/2021 9:34:29 AM | Like (0) | Report

Thanks again.

I had another 300GB HDD, i put it and start the installation.
I got the same error i posted previously.
I start to think the problem is from the DVD ''AdvaCommand for UNIX Version 1.8/6''.
I have only one DVD from ABB, do you know if we can still find the software somwhere ?

by Hans-Ulli.Kroll Rank: 231 on 2/5/2021 11:08:33 AM | Like (0) | Report

So both 300GB HDD should be ok.
36GB and 73 HDD will work too.

try limiting the whole volume group to below 128GB or 256GB
maybe this is a driver or hardware issue

by Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

Rank: 1 on 2/5/2021 11:37:13 AM | Like (0) | Report

Looks like a bug somewhere in the handling of disk size.

I have no 300 GB disks to try with, nor any assignment from management to spend hours on obsoleted products.

I can provide you with a homemade/HP-Ignite based kit that will allow you to:
a) perform make_tape_recovery backups of any AS500 OS/IMS/AEH
b) perform restore of the same

The result of a) is a bootable tape and you may, during restore, apply resizing, etc. of the disk prior loading the backup content.

There is not guarantees whatsoever of this software I made myself, except for the standard HP-UX 10.20 Ignite bundle.

Let me know if you desire to try it - send an email. Firstname.Lastname@se.abb.com

by ssdivo Rank: 2301 on 2/9/2021 12:34:02 PM | Like (0) | Report

by Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

Rank: 1 on 2/9/2021 12:40:52 PM | Like (1) | Report

I still suppose all media is available from the ABB Logistic Center, look for the 3BSExxxxxx arcticle number on the media or in release notes and see if LogC can supply it for you.

by ssdivo Rank: 2301 on 2/11/2021 4:33:56 AM | Like (0) | Report

Thanks Stefan.

I looked for it but didn't find anything.
The part No is 3BSE038666R1

by Stefan Stromqvist AKS expert

Rank: 1 on 2/11/2021 4:36:50 AM | Like (0) | Report

Have you contacted our Logistic Center?

Please email or call them!

https://new.abb.com/control-systems/service/offerings/spares-and-consumables/new-parts

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ssdivo Rank: 2301

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I have a procedure for setting up larger disks to be used on HP Unix 10.2 systems, see below, some detail has been dropped by the copy/paste routine.
Drop me a line at andrew.mitchell1@gb.abb.com and I will send you the Doc version.

As the 2GB SCSI disks are now obsolete, we are forced to use larger disks. To enable a tape image to be loaded to the larger disks, the following procedure should be followed:

Firstly, obtain the disk volume size of the original disk. This is achieved by attempting to run an image backup from the tape to the SCSI as described in section 6. However, the backup will be aborted as follows:

Tape Name: Image Backup Tape
Version #@ 14.2/3 GENL 01/10/
Sequence #: 1
Backup date: 09 AUG 96 11:57:10
Disk Volume In Sectors 2128535
Disk Starting Sector #: 0

*** ERROR *** Volume of disk does not match tape
Error: size of destination does no match original

Next, the size of the destination disk need to be obtained using the DU command as described below:

What’s up Doc?> DU WC00:
Total sectors = 2078657
Free sectors = 1879274
Largest block = 1879270

These two numbers now need to be converted into Hex format using the EQ command:

What’s up Doc?> EQ &2128535
$00207A97
&2128535
@00,010,075,227
%0000,0000,0010,0000,0111,1010,1001,0111

What’s up Doc?> EQ &2078657
$001FB7C1
&2078657
@00,007,733,701
%0000,0000,0001,1111,1011,0111,1100,0001

Next, the disk detail file needs to be updated with these values:

What’s up Doc?> VI WC00:[0.]DISK.XX

LIST ?>
Record number =$0 Name = DISK.XX Byte count = $100
|---------|---------------------------------------------------|----------------
|
| RELATIVE| Hexadecimal Memory Dump | ASCII |
| |------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
| ADDRESS | 0 1 2 3 | 4 5 6 7 | 8 9 A B | C D E F |0123456789ABCDEF|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------
|
|000000+R0| 4D 33 30 30| 00 00 00 00| 00 01 03 F7| 00 00 03 F8|M300.......w...x|
|000010+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000020+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 0A 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20|....... |
|000030+R0| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 30 33| 30 30 58 2E| 0300X.|
|000040+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000050+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000060+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000070+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000080+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000090+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000A0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000B0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000C0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000D0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000E0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 44 53 4B 50|............DSKP|
|0000F0+R0| 00 00 01 F0| 00 1F B7 C1| 45 58 4F 52| 4D 41 43 53|...p..7AEXORMACS|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------
|

The number in the file needs to be modified so that it is the same as the HEX number for the sectors on the tape:

LIST ?> M
Record Number = $0
Record Length = $100

000000+R0 4D ?
000001+R0 33 ?
000002+R0 30 ?
etc
0000F0+R0 00 ?
0000F1+R0 00 ?
0000F2+R0 01 ?
0000F3+R0 F0 ?
0000F4+R0 00 ?
0000F5+R0 1F ? 7D
0000F6+R0 B7 ? E0
0000F7+R0 C1 ? 7F.

DISK.XX Replace Record $0 Length = $100

( Y = Replace, N = Don't, L = List Record, M = Modify ) ? > L

|---------|---------------------------------------------------|----------------
|
| RELATIVE| Hexadecimal Memory Dump | ASCII |
| |------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------|
| ADDRESS | 0 1 2 3 | 4 5 6 7 | 8 9 A B | C D E F |0123456789ABCDEF|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------
|
|000000+R0| 4D 33 30 30| 00 00 00 00| 00 01 03 F7| 00 00 03 F8|M300.......w...x|
|000010+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000020+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 0A 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20|....... |
|000030+R0| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 20 20| 20 20 30 33| 30 30 58 2E| 0300X.|
|000040+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000050+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000060+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000070+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000080+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|000090+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000A0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000B0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000C0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000D0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00|................|
|0000E0+R0| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 00 00 00 00| 44 53 4B 50|............DSKP|
|0000F0+R0| 00 00 01 F0| 00 20 7A 97| 45 58 4F 52| 4D 41 43 53|...p..z.EXORMACS|
|---------|------------|------------|------------|------------|----------------
|

DISK.XX Replace Record $0 Length = $100

( Y = Replace, N = Don't, L = List Record, M = Modify ) ? > y

MODIFY ?> .

What’s up Doc?> EX

The CDP will now need to be rebooted and the image backup will now run correctly.

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