Help me for the SPBRC410 module was not responding error on Composer software

Please help me to offer the solutions to fix the problem of SPBRC410 module such as: - According to the LED status on the PCU cabinet: both SPBRC410 modules (primary and redundant) are looked like normal. They can hot redundant together (checked by put the reset button on the module). - But when I scan the module status by Composer software (use the inspection function), I found that the status of the SPBRC410 at Loop 3 PCU 9 Module 4 (3,9,4) was not responding (redundant module was not responding) As the attachments below. I try to reset this module but can not fix this problem!
Thank you very much!

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ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020

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Hi,
Is S3 of the EXEXEC (FC90, block 20) set to xxxx1, where 1 is the redundancy configuration flag and xxxx are the other option settings.

Regards,
Alan

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by ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020 on 1/27/2019 5:57:56 PM | Like (0) | Report

Yes, I found that the S3 of EXEXEC was set by 20000!^^ Thank for your help!
But can I online change this setting, sir? My system is running now.
Thank you very much!

by Alan Rank: 15 on 1/27/2019 6:45:33 PM | Like (0) | Report

Hi,
S3 is tunable for the redundancy configuration flag (xxxx1) and module mode on IO module trip (xxx1x or xxx0x). With an S3 value of 20000 you have...
xxxx0 - Redundancy configuration flag NOT set.
xxx0x - Go to error mode on IO module trip.
xx0xx - 5kbaud DCS/SAC link.
x0xxx - Both serial ports set to RS232 (NTMP01).
2xxxx - Expander bus and Hnet/HN800 IO enabled.

The Function Code reference manual has more detailed information. Just right click on the EXEXEC block in the CLD...
Cheers,
Alan

by ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020 on 1/27/2019 6:56:08 PM | Like (0) | Report

Thank you very much.
I will try to test if possible!^^

by ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020 on 2/20/2019 7:35:51 PM | Like (0) | Report

Dear sir, I tried to change the S3 value of EXEXEC (FC90) to xxxx1 but can not solve this problem. Please help me!
Thank you very much!

by Alan Rank: 15 on 2/21/2019 2:36:48 AM | Like (0) | Report

Hi,
The "xxxx" is to suit your application for the various settings configured by S3 of the EXEXEC. For you, if S3 is currently 20000, it should be set to 20001 to set the redundancy flag to on. The Redundancy configuration flag (xxxx1 or xxxx0) and module mode on IO module trip (xxx1x or xxx0x) are tunable.

What about your controller DIP switches. SW2, pole 2 should be 1 (open / off) for online configuration. From memory if SW2, pole is 0 (closed / on) redundancy is still available but OLC is not.
-Alan

by ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020 on 2/21/2019 6:16:11 PM | Like (0) | Report

Dear sir,
I already tried to change the S3 value of EXEXEC (FC90) to 20001, but also can not monitor these SPBRC410 modules status on the Composer software.
For the DIP swtich configuration: the pole 2 of SW2 of both SPBRC410 modules were set to 1 (open/off). The SW2 of the first SPBRC410: pole 2 and 8 were set to 1; the SW2 of the second SPBRC410: pole 2 was set to 1, pole 8 was set to 0. I already tried to bring these SPBRC410 modules to other PCU cabinet then I can monitor them by Composer software. It mean the configuration setting of these SPBRC410 modules are normally.
Please help me solve this problem!
Thank you very much!

by Alan Rank: 15 on 2/21/2019 10:03:21 PM | Like (0) | Report

Hi again,
One of the original pictures posted shows that module 3 is communicating with Composer and module 4 is missing. Can you tune any blocks at all in module 3 or is it just this one block that will not tune. There is a tune lock on every segment control block (S1), could this be set?
Just to clarify, can Composer communicate with either module, but only when it is the primary or can Composer only communicate with a controller in a fixed position in the MMU? I.E. Only the left hand or right hand module.
Can you tune the block from your HMI? Is your HMI receiving exception report data from the controller? Can you inspect the PCU from your HMI?
There are jumpers on the MMU back plane that are intended to split the controlway for installation of multiple nodes into the same MMU. These jumpers live between slots 4/5 and 8/9. You seem to be using slots 7/8 as long as the jumpers are in between slots 8/9 it should work. If the jumpers are misconfigured you will get controlway errors reported by the affected controller (1 jumper incorrect) or no communication (both jumpers incorrect). The slot 4/5 jumpers also need to be set correctly to either extend the bus to slots 1-4 or terminate it correctly.

When you moved the controllers to another PCU cabinet did you move both controllers as a pair or just one at a time. If you moved them as a pair and they worked correctly, the problem would appear to be in the MMU. Can you move the controllers to another MMU in the cabinet to prove that it is not a location related issue? If you only tested one BRC at a time then you have proved that the BRCs work as primary controllers but not necessarily as a redundant pair.

Cheers,
Alan

by ngoctunga3 Rank: 4020 on 2/21/2019 10:39:46 PM | Like (0) | Report

Dear sir,
- The first item: yes, the composer software can monitor the status of module M3, but can not monitor the status of module M4 (M3 is primary, M4 is redundant). In properties of M4, I found that the Actual is No status; the Type, Role, Firmware is Off Line. I can monitor online the value in the logic documents (the CLDs). Could you help me what is the tune lock on every segment control block (S1)? I do not know what is it.
- The second item: Composer software only can monitor the primary module (M3). When I swap the SPBRC410 to swap primary module then the Composer software only can monitor the primary module. It mean the Composer can monitor the status of SPBRC410 module if it is primary. The Composer can communicate with controller not depend on the fixed postion in the MMU. It mean Composer can communicate both position (left and right side) in the MMU (the position for SPBRC410).
- The third item: I do not know how to tune the block from my HMI. My HMI can receiving the data from this PCU. Could you help me how to tune the block from my HMI.
- The fourth item: I already check the jumpers on the MMU back plane and found that have the split the controlway (same other PCUs). But I can not make sure that it is in good condition or not. Could you help me how to check, sir?
- The fiveth item: I alreday removed both SPBRC410 of PCU#9 (the problem PCU) to other PCU. These SPBRC410 working normal and Composer can communicate to both SPBRC410.
Please help me solve this problem!
Thank you very much!

by Alan Rank: 15 on 2/22/2019 2:02:13 AM | Like (0) | Report

Hi,
Re item#1 - Tune lock is part of every FC82 (segment control block) and if set correctly can prevent tuning and or modification of blocks in the associated segment. In your case would be block #15. It is unlikely to be on, but may explain why you are having problems tuning.
So with regards to tuning , if you find the CLD with the FC90 (EXEXEC) installed and monitor the CLD you should see hour, minute, second etc on the FC90 block outputs. If you attempt to tune this block what happens next? What should happen is the FCode properties tab appears and only the tunable specs are enabled. If you have 20000 in S3 you should be able to type 20001 and click OK.
Re item#2 - That is good in a way. It indicates that the issue is possibly not with the BRCs themselves.
Re item#3 - Depends what the HMI is. Lets not worry about that at the moment.
Re item#4 - What is installed in the split part of the controlway (slots 1-4). Can you stop the modules in slots 1-4? If you stop the modules in slots 1-4 and module 4 BRC becomes visible this might indicate the jumpers are not set correctly or an MMU fault. The MMU manual (WBPEEUI200502A0 for me but there is a later manual out now with a different number) says that J1/J2 (slot4/5 jumpers) must be set to 1-2 to enable and 2-3 to disable. J3/J4 (slot8/9 jumpers) are the same, 1-2 to enable and 2-3 to disable. The jumpers on the backplane have 3 pins, 1, 2 and 3. Pin 1 is at the top. J1/J2 must be set the same and J3/J4 must be set the same.
Re item#5 - If you have moved both BRCs as a pair to another cabinet and they work ok, this points to something external interfering with the modules in their original location. Can you put the BRCs into a another pair of slots in another MMU and still connect to IO modules?

Regards,

Alan

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