ABB 800XA to WINCC SCADA
Dear friends,
I have a project in my plant which created by ABB 800XA with PLC AC800M, According to client requirements briefly are:
i want
1- How to itegrate that project to WINCC with all drawings and tags? And what i shall to do?
2- How to connect between PLC AC800M and wincc to work with wincc SCADA instead of ABB 800XA?
Many thanks,
I have a project in my plant which created by ABB 800XA with PLC AC800M, According to client requirements briefly are:
i want
1- How to itegrate that project to WINCC with all drawings and tags? And what i shall to do?
2- How to connect between PLC AC800M and wincc to work with wincc SCADA instead of ABB 800XA?
Many thanks,
Asked 2 years ago
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They don't integrate. Basically, to replace 800xA with WinCC, then you're going to downgrade to Compact Control Builder and throw away the 800xA System. If you want to run both WinCC and 800xA together, then "somebody" has to maintain two entirely separate SCADA systems.
- WinCC connects directly to the AC800M OPC Server which comes with Compact AC800M
- You will have to create a database of tags in WinCC by uploading from the AC800M OPC Server and manually imposing your own structure onto the data.
- All information about "Object Types" is basically lost. You still have the tree structure of the OPC data points, but its up to you to engineer new faceplates, object displays, diagnostics, alarm lists, event lists etc etc entirely from scratch in WinCC.
- You will have to draw all the graphics again in WinCC.
My personal opinion is even as a third party supplier, I would strongly advise you not to do this as you will likely be disappointed at the results. WinCC is great when its integrated with a small scale Siemens S7 PLC system. When you go to larger S7 systems, then Siemens add a whole bunch of additional functions to turn the system into PCS7 because WinCC on its own isn't enough.
When coupled with an AC800M then lots of features are going to be missing - there's no support for SFC's for example, an AC800M PID control block has literally hundreds of OPC data points for OP, MV and SP limits, tuning, feed-forward, feedback, tracking, multiple operator modes, auto tuning, saved tuning, adaptive tuning, setpoint ramping, output ramping etc etc.
Every plant I know that has run WinCC and 800xA side by side has replaced the WinCC displays with 800xA and PLC connect.
However, every plant is different and if WinCC is your preferred option, then sure - it can be done. But you're basically building everything from scratch, with limited documentation for the internal workings of the function blocks you need to connect to.
- WinCC connects directly to the AC800M OPC Server which comes with Compact AC800M
- You will have to create a database of tags in WinCC by uploading from the AC800M OPC Server and manually imposing your own structure onto the data.
- All information about "Object Types" is basically lost. You still have the tree structure of the OPC data points, but its up to you to engineer new faceplates, object displays, diagnostics, alarm lists, event lists etc etc entirely from scratch in WinCC.
- You will have to draw all the graphics again in WinCC.
My personal opinion is even as a third party supplier, I would strongly advise you not to do this as you will likely be disappointed at the results. WinCC is great when its integrated with a small scale Siemens S7 PLC system. When you go to larger S7 systems, then Siemens add a whole bunch of additional functions to turn the system into PCS7 because WinCC on its own isn't enough.
When coupled with an AC800M then lots of features are going to be missing - there's no support for SFC's for example, an AC800M PID control block has literally hundreds of OPC data points for OP, MV and SP limits, tuning, feed-forward, feedback, tracking, multiple operator modes, auto tuning, saved tuning, adaptive tuning, setpoint ramping, output ramping etc etc.
Every plant I know that has run WinCC and 800xA side by side has replaced the WinCC displays with 800xA and PLC connect.
However, every plant is different and if WinCC is your preferred option, then sure - it can be done. But you're basically building everything from scratch, with limited documentation for the internal workings of the function blocks you need to connect to.
Answered 2 years ago
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Why a customer want to step down from an integrated DCS System (AC800M with 800xA) to a pure SCADA System (AC800M with WinCC)? I could understand the other way round! Is the customer aware of the disadvantage of such SCADA solution (much more engineering effort, less or even no diagnostic information by default, non integrated Alarm handling, and much more ...)
Anyhow if WinCC has on OPC Client integrated it can communicate either with the ABB Surrogate Server of 800xA or with the AC800M Compact OPC Server.
All the displays have to be redrawn in WinCC, Tags have to be created manualy in WinCC and assigned to OPC Items
br
Reinhard
Anyhow if WinCC has on OPC Client integrated it can communicate either with the ABB Surrogate Server of 800xA or with the AC800M Compact OPC Server.
All the displays have to be redrawn in WinCC, Tags have to be created manualy in WinCC and assigned to OPC Items
br
Reinhard
Answered 2 years ago
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you have to use compact control builder to programme the controller
Answered 2 years ago
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Hello,
You can communicate 800xA tags to WinCC via OPC.
Refer this: https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/99412077/how-do-you-configure-
and-enable-the-trace-of-the-wincc-opc-channel-?dti=0&lc=en-WW
Along with monitoring, if you have sufficient rights you can also force the tags from WinCC. But you will have to create new graphics in WinCC. And every time you add/remove tags in 800xA, you will need to alter the same in WinCC.
This can also be helpful: https://forum-controlsystems.abb.com/10317/AC800M-WinCC-HMI
If you have more queries, you can always reach your ABB Regional Support Center for assistance.
You can communicate 800xA tags to WinCC via OPC.
Refer this: https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/99412077/how-do-you-configure-
and-enable-the-trace-of-the-wincc-opc-channel-?dti=0&lc=en-WW
Along with monitoring, if you have sufficient rights you can also force the tags from WinCC. But you will have to create new graphics in WinCC. And every time you add/remove tags in 800xA, you will need to alter the same in WinCC.
This can also be helpful: https://forum-controlsystems.abb.com/10317/AC800M-WinCC-HMI
If you have more queries, you can always reach your ABB Regional Support Center for assistance.
Answered 2 years ago
by ahmedycsr Rank: 2597 on 10/16/2018 12:32:58 AM | Like (0) | Report
Thanks a lot for your replying,
I want to migrate it to WINCC 7.x, also my suggestion that i will keep the ABB 800XA SCADA as it it's to avoid any problems,
And i want to create the new project by WINCC in another PC with profibus communication,
My question how to make my project communicate parallel with the old one ABB 800XA?
Another thing to create tags manually for all plant is big task it will tak more time? Is there any way to export to .csv file or anything.
Many thanks
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